Topic: Sitting out a Year

[armymom]

That's okay, so was I. I asked about the mono because my son got it bad several years ago and his spleen was really swollen, couldn't play baseball for at least 6 weeks.

[midnight_1959]

They said my son landed on the football just right, and that is how it happened. Doc Tidyman took a look at him and was sent by squad to KCH, I was at Nursing School when this happened. My 1st husband never called to let me know, until I got home from school. I was HOT WHEN I  FOUND OUT! My child care sitter had to inform me. 

[sunflower84]

I would love to see the response to this just because it is very well known that the catholic schools recruit. The difference since the rule has been enacted is they start them in middle school or I believe that if they start their freshman year it doesn't affect them since there isn't a specific feeder school like public schools. This rule went into effect my junior year, I remember it well.

[seabiscuit]

Sorry, all!  I had plans to go to the Mary Chapin Carpenter concert at the Midland in Newark tonight which is why I couldn't respond earlier.  (And, yes, she put on a great concert!  What a beautiful theatre the Midland is, too!)   I'm back, it's late so I'll try to discuss some of the reasoning to my statements now.

[seabiscuit]

BTW, do you even know why they started the act of "sitting out a year"? I do as my kids were playing sports before this happened, but I'm curious if you know. It does have to do with NC alot and their "recruitment" and other schools starting to do the same thing.

Yes, the "sitting out a year" or the Transfer By-Law was enacted by the OHSAA as you say to prevent students from hopping from school to school for purely athletic reasons.  The OHSAA talks about this by-law as follows:

The basic transfer bylaw is really quite simple. If a student transfers (changes) high schools at any time after establishing eligibility as a ninth grader (either by attending a school for five days or playing in a fall sport prior to the beginning of school), the student is INELIGIBLE at the new high school for ONE YEAR from the date of enrollment. Understanding that basic rule is fundamental to dealing with transfer students.

Of course, in our society today, students do indeed change schools for various reasons. To deal with that scenario our members have adopted 12 exceptions, one of which MAY apply to a student who changes high schools. The use of the word MAY is instructive as there are several exceptions that are complex and do require some action on the part of the member school administrator as well as the OHSAA staff. The purpose of this series on the Transfer Bylaw is to provide guidance on each of the exceptions.

http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/TransferBylawGuidance.htm

There are 820 member schools in the OHSAA, so the idea that the OHSAA had to institute a rule or policy solely for something one school (as you state NC) was doing seems a bit exaggerated.  I would suggest that there were students who were "program jumping" to a variety of schools all around the state and that it was occurring at enough schools to warrant a standardized rule being developed for all schools. 

NC is a Div VI school for football, Div IV school for basketball with an enrollment figure of 98 boys in 9th, 10th & 11th grades (as of October 2008 which is the last addition of enrollment figures on the OHSAA website).  Their size alone would indicate that it is not likely that they would "spearhead" the problem.

http://www.ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll09.htm



 

[seabiscuit]

This is so interesting, in reference to seabiscuit, . FYI, they do still recruit students in football programs! I have no clue who is feeding you information, but you are totally misguided!

midnight_1959

My children attend Newark Catholic.  Two of them have graduated from NC.  I will have another attending high school there in 2 years.  My 2 older sons have participated in sports, been on student government and other extra curricular activities.  You can't have a child at NC without being involved in almost every aspect of what's going on there, so, my knowledge is first hand.  No one is "feeding me" anything.

NC is a small school.  Everybody knows everybody.  Anyone new sticks out pretty quickly!

[seabiscuit]

I know they do as my son was recruited by NC. He didn't go, wanted to stay with his friends, but he WAS recruited.

Unfortunately, that's always what you hear.  Everyone I've ever talked with this about who "knows someone" that was recruited, tells me that the person didn't end up going but "hey, they were recruited".  If that's recruiting, it obviously was an abysmal flop!  If the point of recruiting is to bring kids to the school and no one comes, well, hey, you're wasting your time.

[seabiscuit]

Also, in regards to the 'sitting out period'. My son help coach for Danville Blue Devils, he informed me that some coaches do this so they can train the guys in the weight room for the year. He does not like  this method himself. Colleges usually register their students and they normally sit out for the first year. This is what my son informed me. He is a graduate of OSU!

The "sitting out period" under OHSAA is not a voluntary action by coaches.  It is, in fact, a year of ineligibility.  If you are ineligible to play, you cannot play whether or not the coach wants you to or not.

[seabiscuit]

LOL..of course the coaches recruit players in high school.  They do it in every sport.  The summer league programs is where the "action takes place"...where high school coaches are exposed to kids from other schools.

Anyone who doesn;t think this is true is not paying attention, or simply has no clue

Are you referring to the various school camps that occur throughout the year (i.e. football camp in the summer, basketball camp in Feb/March, baseball camp in March/April, etc)?

[seabiscuit]

I would love to see the response to this just because it is very well known that the catholic schools recruit.

It would be very difficult for any school to recruit with the transfer by-law that is in place.  People are going to think what they will but NC, for example, has 2 feeder schools in Newark:  St. Francis and Blessed Sacrament.

Most Catholic schools begin organized sports in 3rd & 4th grades with Volleyball, Track and Basketball.  The larger schools have football teams starting in 5th/6th grades.  These kids have played with each other a long time.

For example, 4 of the members of the NC basketball team that made it to the State final game this past school year had made a promise to each other in 6th grade while they were at one of the two schools noted above that they were going to work hard to make it to the State final game when they were Seniors.  One of the other members of the team had older brothers attend NC and yet another member was from Danville who was a transfer when he was a sophmore and none of these players were recruited yet they still made it to the State final game.  And these were not exceptionally tall or athletic kids or kids that you would assume from looking at them would be "star" basketball players.  They were disciplined and well coached as was the team the year before that made it to the regional final game that included Chris Leibold, a local MTV boy, as point guard who went through St. Vincent before attending NC just like his sister and 2 older brothers.  The last year that NC won a state football title (my older son's class), all but one of the starters had played with each other during Middle School. 

My point is that it's easy for outsiders to say there's recruiting but when you attend these schools and know where these kids come from and what they do to prepare for a season, you find out why they win. 

[seabiscuit]

Oh boy, that's so full of bullshit I don't know where to start. Coming from someone who's kids played in just about every sport and was very good at it, I KNOW for a fact that there are kids at NC that were recruited, especially for the three major sports, football, baseball, and basketball. I've heard the discussions from the baseball coach Cantazera (sp) as he also rounded up the Newark Babe Ruth program and my husband coached down there. We got to know quite a few of the parents from not only NC, but from the other schools such as North Fork, Lakewood, Licking Valley. So I KNOW this one for sure. When JD Graham coached NC football, it was one of his priorities to "recruit" football players. I've been involved in too many sports and functions to believe what you say as I know it for a fact.

So you've actually talked with John Cannizzaro?  And he openly shared his recruiting efforts with you?  I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe.  I can assure you that in this day and age, if you are a coach and you would have the nerve to be recruiting you are doing it silently and not discussing it with anyone because of the strict OHSAA rules that are in place.

But back to NC, having seen the rosters of the teams from the past 7 years (in football, baseball and basketball), you'd be hard pressed to find these "recruits" you say he had that hadn't gone through the elementary and/or middle school Catholic schools system in Newark or Mt. Vernon.  I mean, honestly, a large amount of student athletes at NC not only have had older brothers/sisters attend NC but have had parents that are graduates as well. 

If you know it "for a fact" you should be able to name names of players that were recruited and attended NC.  If you can't do that, you don't have any facts whatsoever just inuendo and speculation. 

And what does recruiting sound like, a coach saying things like "We'd sure love to have you playing for us", "We could sure use your talent at our school"....do you consider that recruiting?  Or does recruiting come with monetary component?

The 1985 State Championship football season has been documented in a book called Growing Up Green by William B. Evans.  In this book he talks about the size difference between that year's teams and their opponents during the regular season and the playoff season.  That year's team was smaller and less talented than their opponents, yet, they won the State Championship that year despite the odds against them doing so.  And yes, JD Graham, who grew up in Mt. Vernon and went to St. Vincent's, was their coach.

This is written by Bill Evans on page 44 of that book:

Coach Graham once said to our class after watching a film, "I love these people who accuse us of recruiting.  Look around the room, fellas.  Do you think we'd waste money on people like you?"  On another occasion, when he was quite perturbed at us, he said, "If any of you people have any aspirations at all of playing college football, you're shittin' yourselves".

Bill Evans is a whopping 5-10.  He and another starting player from that team, John Jurden who is a whopping 5-9, are my youngest son's coaches.  They coach the 7th & 8th grade NC teams and continue the tradition of good fundamental coaching that JD Graham taught them.  That system is like a well oiled machine fueled by discipline, strong fundamentals and considerable conditioning the likes of which most schools have never seen.  That is why they win but I know that I can argue this until the cows come home and the naysayers will continue to chant "recruiting".  However, the smartest thing that other Licking County schools did was to start noting what NC (and other successful schools) did and just started doing it themselves.  Most are now owners of Championships themselves.  Licking County has both private and public schools with great athletic achievements.   To name a few:  Newark in basketball; Heath in baseball and track; Lakewood in baseball and softball .... and there's more but I'm getting tired.

I know my arguments will not convince a single soul but I try anyway.  I'll take the discipline and conditioning that exists in the NC programs any day of the week even if it means I have to listen to people cry "recruiting" over and over and over again.

[midnight_1959]

This is so interesting, in reference to seabiscuit, . FYI, they do still recruit students in football programs! I have no clue who is feeding you information, but you are totally misguided!

midnight_1959

My children attend Newark Catholic.  Two of them have graduated from NC.  I will have another attending high school there in 2 years.  My 2 older sons have participated in sports, been on student government and other extra curricular activities.  You can't have a child at NC without being involved in almost every aspect of what's going on there, so, my knowledge is first hand.  No one is "feeding me" anything.

NC is a small school.  Everybody knows everybody.  Anyone new sticks out pretty quickly!

My knowledge is from my son who coached football in Danville. He also played for his school . Also, If you read what I said to you, I never said, anyone was "feeding you" you! I said, You were misguided! There is a difference.  I still say they recruit students, and my son says the same thing. This has been going on for years! I went to school with guys who were from NC and they even told me this .

[*JAM*]

This is so interesting, in reference to seabiscuit, . FYI, they do still recruit students in football programs! I have no clue who is feeding you information, but you are totally misguided!

I'm guessing this is where SB got the impression you said "feeding you information"

[midnight_1959]

Thank-you for bringing that to my attention!  Even still, as I have mentioned  previously, recruitment has been going on for years! 

[seabiscuit]

Thank-you for bringing that to my attention!  Even still, as I have mentioned  previously, recruitment has been going on for years! 

Again, I will say to anyone who says that, name the names of players who were recruited.  If you can do that, it gives your statement credence.  If you can't, then you are just making random statements that can't be proven or disproven.

And you do realize that NC and Danville are fierce rivals.  There's always jive talk between rivals, doesn't make it real.  Only stated facts make it real.