Topic: Sitting out a Year

[Steve.Deserved.Better]

I don't want to see actual names of anyone on here for this type of discussion please, particularly students. I think enough names have been mentioned with the coaches.    In addition, I think all could agree, just because there are written rules doesn't mean they are followed behind closed doors.

If SB says the rules were followed and that is her experience that's good enough.

If Armymom and et all says they know first hand that they have seen the rules broken, that is also good enough. 

Both side have had compelling remarks.  Thank you for your cooperation. 

[armymom]

Would never list the names of the kids and I think SB would know that. I do KNOW what I know and I know that NC recruited for football players, baseball and basketball players for years. Just because SB doesn't want to admit or doesn't know about it doesn't make it so. I too was quite involved in my kids atheletics and my son garnered many county awards and state awards for his participation in sports. He also garnered them at college level. There weren't too many "camps" that he didn't attend, be it football (OSU football camps), to area schools football, basketball and baseball camps. And NO, I did not say that NC was the only one who was the cause for the law. I did mention NC because you made that statement that you "know" of 4 families who are ditching MTV schools because of the "Dennis" situation and you had already mentioned that your kids go to NC. I called BS and I still do. And yes, I do know Cannizarro, and you question that? Jebus, lady, you do know that he does get around don't you? And just because he coaches NC doesn't make him walk on water. Like I said, my hubby coached baseball for over 20 years, you do get to know some of the coaches, quite well I might add, even enough to "talk" to them.   

[cateyes]

  Question....isn't it possible to be recruited..and NOT be promised monetary funds for your playing?? Or is that suppose to be something of the past??
 
  I know I was all but begged to be part of our school track team...which I refused because I was too busy with competition with my horse...and gee, I wasnt promised anything, but the pride of being on the team which would have been enough for me IF I had time to give to the team.

[seabiscuit]

SDB
 
I was guessing that armymom's "recruits" were now adults so I didn't see any harm.  Wasn't asking for any current student names.  For all the people who complain that schools recruit and seemingly have "1st hand knowledge" of the behavior, I have to always question their motive from bringing it up on blogs but then not reporting this inappropriate behavior. 

[seabiscuit]

Private schools are much more closely monitored (more than you realize) for potential infractions of the transfer by-law.  And, unfortunately, infractions sometimes occur because the proper paperwork was completed improperly not a "recruiting" issue. 

When we transferred our 2 boys to NC, we had to complete paperwork to maintain our older son's elibility.  Both superintendents need to sign the paperwork and believe me, the tougher of the 2 to approve the transfer to maintain eligibility is the superintendent over NC!

[armymom]

Report it? What world are you living in. It's given a "wink and a nod" and of course, you will always have the NC faithful who have been told, "we don't recruit". Let me ask you this.... are all students enrolled at NC actually "catholic", or "catholic to benefit" them?  I mean, I know there are some who go there because quite frankly they're sick of "public schools" completely and welcome the "private school" philosophy. I've always said that if I had kids in the public school sector now, I'd homeschool. But to try to say that they don't "recruit", you're wrong. And as far as bringing it "up" on blogs, you're the one who "claimed" that you had 1st hand knowledge of 4 families leaving the MTV school district because of the "Dennis" situation and all that "implies". Just showing you that there are many other reasons as to why someone would transfer their kids. Hell I know of parents like me who would home school again and it has to do with the shitty situations that kids are put in in public schools, being force fed political BS, being passed on whether they're capable of reading comprehension or not. There are a variety of reasons. And yes, getting more playing time in sports is also one of them.

[Steve.Deserved.Better]

SDB
 
I was guessing that armymom's "recruits" were now adults so I didn't see any harm.  Wasn't asking for any current student names.  For all the people who complain that schools recruit and seemingly have "1st hand knowledge" of the behavior, I have to always question their motive from bringing it up on blogs but then not reporting this inappropriate behavior.

They should be adults by now, but really not part of a public forum debate.  They are not here to defend nor concur.  I know you were asking for current names.   

Sometimes, as we all know, we come from varied and different experiences.   Keep in mind, one person's truth isn't anothers', based on that premise, but it doesn't make it an untruth.   Opinions are just that and couple that with stated rules and the experiences, well that makes for some very interesting debates.

As for reporting inappropriate behavior, we're not sure that wasn't done and nothing was done about it.  I don't think anyone can deny, that things are allowed to go on and on for the sake of 'whatever' only to kick them in the butt down the road.

Take the Freshwater case.  Classic example.   

[kdawg3]

Im am a graduate of a Catholic H.S. in Cbus. Plenty of Student athletes on some sort of Scholarship or assistance that were offered this to enroll. Ask Lawerence Funderburk why he left Worthington Christian to attend Wehrle. Just so you know I was one of those athletes not paying to attend school.

[seabiscuit]

I do KNOW what I know and I know that NC recruited for football players, baseball and basketball players for years. Just because SB doesn't want to admit or doesn't know about it doesn't make it so. I too was quite involved in my kids atheletics and my son garnered many county awards and state awards for his participation in sports. He also garnered them at college level. There weren't too many "camps" that he didn't attend, be it football (OSU football camps), to area schools football, basketball and baseball camps. And NO, I did not say that NC was the only one who was the cause for the law. I did mention NC because you made that statement that you "know" of 4 families who are ditching MTV schools because of the "Dennis" situation and you had already mentioned that your kids go to NC. I called BS and I still do. And yes, I do know Cannizarro, and you question that? Jebus, lady, you do know that he does get around don't you? And just because he coaches NC doesn't make him walk on water. Like I said, my hubby coached baseball for over 20 years, you do get to know some of the coaches, quite well I might add, even enough to "talk" to them.   

You've made a lot of statements here, some just don't make sense. 

Let's take recruiting for NC basketball.  Basketball and baseball have taken a back seat to football for years.  In fact, NC basketball until the past 2 seasons was nothing to write home about in terms of district, regional or state title opportunities.  The 2009 Basketball team was the first since 1958 to win a district championship and make it to the regional final.  All of the players from the 2009 and 2010 teams went all the way through Catholic schools except for Derek Adam.  So, there's absolutely no chance that there was any recruiting from 1959 - 2008 with the kind of record NC basketball had.   If there was recruiting, again, it was abysmal attempt with mediocre results.  That's not NC tradition.

Now, let's look at baseball.  NC's success in baseball didn't begin until 1988 when Cannizzaro was hired by NC.  He coached the 1988, 1989 teams to a state title, then left to coach for Ohio State.  The next team to win the state was coached by Scott Burkholder in 2002 and again in 2003.  Cannizzaro returned to NC in 2004 and won that year and again in 2006.  My comment was this:  So you've actually talked with John Cannizzaro?  And he openly shared his recruiting efforts with you?   You are saying that John Cannizzaro talked with you about his recruiting efforts?   I never said that Cannizzaro walked on water, not sure what made you make that remark.  He is a quiet man of few words and not very chatty so I would find it highly unlikely that if he were recruiting that he would just chat that information to you.   Someone like Cannizzaro doesn't need to recruit, he is a top notch coach who can take ordinary players and bring out the best in them.  That's was JD Graham did. 

With regard to basketball and baseball for the 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 school years, we lost our starting center and a lock down pitcher (who had been at NC for 2 years) when he transferred to a public school for his Junior and Senior year.  An interesting note is that this young man's sister remained in school at NC.  Sure hope that public school wasn't recruiting him!!!!!  (I don't think they were but if you want to make inuendos on what is on the surface...like you are doing..., it could appear that way.)  In 2006/2007, we lost a starting baseball player to Newark as well.

I've already addressed football.  One of the significant plays that changed the tempo in favor of NC in the 2008/2009 state football game was made by a small player who had average athletic skills but fantastic academic abilities.  At any other school, he would have rode the bench, at NC he was seen as a player who could learn and contribute to the team.  And contribute he did in that final game!   I can assure you that about half the NC football team would ride the bench at most schools but the conditioning and solid foundation of the program is what makes them play like they do.  The speed training those kids get is amazing!  The conditioning is not for the weak.  My 13 yr old son enjoys working out and he even "groans" about the NC practices.

Do I think that coaches from private and public schools make statements like, "we could use your talent at our school", we'd sure like it if you came to our program"?  Yes, I think those statements are made from time to time.  Do I think that's recruiting?  No, I do not.

Here's another factor that should be considered when addressing the possibility of recruiting with "benefits" at a private school.  It's expensive and takes sacrifice to send a kid to a private school.  If the school was recruiting and "helping with" tuition for a "recruit", the requests for help from all successful athletes within the school would be overwhelming (at NC 74% of all students participate in sporting events) and if they weren't helped, too, they'd leave or "nark".  A private school must make money and they're not going to piss off their paying clientele by allowing someone from the outside to get a free ride.  It would not be welcomed no matter how good an athlete they are.  I've known several families who have struggled to make tuition with highly successful athletes during the time my sons were at NC and those families didn't get any add'l help from the school.  Why would NC then give tuition or a tuition stipend to help someone who hasn't sent their kid through their system.  Football proceeds don't pay for books or teachers, paid tuition does.   My youngest son's 8th grade team is losing a gifted player this year because the family can't afford tuition this year because of economic difficulties.  If there was money to do recruiting, there'd be money to keep this kid in private school.  There's not and there's not.

I think that people boast of "being recruited" because they think it says something about their level of athletic ability.   Doing it on the field says more.  JMHO

 

[midnight_1959]

Thank-you for bringing that to my attention!  Even still, as I have mentioned  previously, recruitment has been going on for years! 

Again, I will say to anyone who says that, name the names of players who were recruited.  If you can do that, it gives your statement credence.  If you can't, then you are just making random statements that can't be proven or disproven.

And you do realize that NC and Danville are fierce rivals.  There's always jive talk between rivals, doesn't make it real.  Only stated facts make it real.

Danville has a worse rival than NC! They are right in there back yard! You obviously think I don't know football, and /or think my son talks jive. That is so far from the truth.  He is not like that all! But , all in all that doesn't matter here.  I will never mention names to prove anything or a point. You are simply not the only one who know's what goes on in the school system, and behind closed doors!     BTW, East Knox is Danville's worst rival! It's called the  DEVILDOG GAME!  The biggest game of the season! 

[midnight_1959]

I do KNOW what I know and I know that NC recruited for football players, baseball and basketball players for years. Just because SB doesn't want to admit or doesn't know about it doesn't make it so. I too was quite involved in my kids atheletics and my son garnered many county awards and state awards for his participation in sports. He also garnered them at college level. There weren't too many "camps" that he didn't attend, be it football (OSU football camps), to area schools football, basketball and baseball camps. And NO, I did not say that NC was the only one who was the cause for the law. I did mention NC because you made that statement that you "know" of 4 families who are ditching MTV schools because of the "Dennis" situation and you had already mentioned that your kids go to NC. I called BS and I still do. And yes, I do know Cannizarro, and you question that? Jebus, lady, you do know that he does get around don't you? And just because he coaches NC doesn't make him walk on water. Like I said, my hubby coached baseball for over 20 years, you do get to know some of the coaches, quite well I might add, even enough to "talk" to them.   

You've made a lot of statements here, some just don't make sense. 

Let's take recruiting for NC basketball.  Basketball and baseball have taken a back seat to football for years.  In fact, NC basketball until the past 2 seasons was nothing to write home about in terms of district, regional or state title opportunities.  The 2009 Basketball team was the first since 1958 to win a district championship and make it to the regional final.  All of the players from the 2009 and 2010 teams went all the way through Catholic schools except for Derek Adam.  So, there's absolutely no chance that there was any recruiting from 1959 - 2008 with the kind of record NC basketball had.   If there was recruiting, again, it was abysmal attempt with mediocre results.  That's not NC tradition.

Now, let's look at baseball.  NC's success in baseball didn't begin until 1988 when Cannizzaro was hired by NC.  He coached the 1988, 1989 teams to a state title, then left to coach for Ohio State.  The next team to win the state was coached by Scott Burkholder in 2002 and again in 2003.  Cannizzaro returned to NC in 2004 and won that year and again in 2006.  My comment was this:  So you've actually talked with John Cannizzaro?  And he openly shared his recruiting efforts with you?   You are saying that John Cannizzaro talked with you about his recruiting efforts?   I never said that Cannizzaro walked on water, not sure what made you make that remark.  He is a quiet man of few words and not very chatty so I would find it highly unlikely that if he were recruiting that he would just chat that information to you.   Someone like Cannizzaro doesn't need to recruit, he is a top notch coach who can take ordinary players and bring out the best in them.  That's was JD Graham did. 

With regard to basketball and baseball for the 2007/2008 and 2008/2009 school years, we lost our starting center and a lock down pitcher (who had been at NC for 2 years) when he transferred to a public school for his Junior and Senior year.  An interesting note is that this young man's sister remained in school at NC.  Sure hope that public school wasn't recruiting him!!!!!  (I don't think they were but if you want to make inuendos on what is on the surface...like you are doing..., it could appear that way.)  In 2006/2007, we lost a starting baseball player to Newark as well.

I've already addressed football.  One of the significant plays that changed the tempo in favor of NC in the 2008/2009 state football game was made by a small player who had average athletic skills but fantastic academic abilities.  At any other school, he would have rode the bench, at NC he was seen as a player who could learn and contribute to the team.  And contribute he did in that final game!   I can assure you that about half the NC football team would ride the bench at most schools but the conditioning and solid foundation of the program is what makes them play like they do.  The speed training those kids get is amazing!  The conditioning is not for the weak.  My 13 yr old son enjoys working out and he even "groans" about the NC practices.

Do I think that coaches from private and public schools make statements like, "we could use your talent at our school", we'd sure like it if you came to our program"?  Yes, I think those statements are made from time to time.  Do I think that's recruiting?  No, I do not.

Here's another factor that should be considered when addressing the possibility of recruiting with "benefits" at a private school.  It's expensive and takes sacrifice to send a kid to a private school.  If the school was recruiting and "helping with" tuition for a "recruit", the requests for help from all successful athletes within the school would be overwhelming (at NC 74% of all students participate in sporting events) and if they weren't helped, too, they'd leave or "nark".  A private school must make money and they're not going to piss off their paying clientele by allowing someone from the outside to get a free ride.  It would not be welcomed no matter how good an athlete they are.  I've known several families who have struggled to make tuition with highly successful athletes during the time my sons were at NC and those families didn't get any add'l help from the school.  Why would NC then give tuition or a tuition stipend to help someone who hasn't sent their kid through their system.  Football proceeds don't pay for books or teachers, paid tuition does.   My youngest son's 8th grade team is losing a gifted player this year because the family can't afford tuition this year because of economic difficulties.  If there was money to do recruiting, there'd be money to keep this kid in private school.  There's not and there's not.

I think that people boast of "being recruited" because they think it says something about their level of athletic ability.   Doing it on the field says more.  JMHO

 

[seabiscuit]

Im am a graduate of a Catholic H.S. in Cbus. Plenty of Student athletes on some sort of Scholarship or assistance that were offered this to enroll. Ask Lawerence Funderburk why he left Worthington Christian to attend Wehrle. Just so you know I was one of those athletes not paying to attend school.

So he went from a private school to a private school, not from public to private.  What year did you graduate and what Catholic school (if you don't want to say this that's fine but please answer the year you graduated)?   Did you attend Catholic school from elementary through High school or did you go from public school to Catholic High school?  I do know people who have kept their kids in the Catholic system and who are Catholic who receive some Diosese assistance (that's based on financial need) but that's not what we're talking about here.  We're talking about active recruiting with money paid to leave the public school.

If you want me to say that it's never happened, I won't do that because I've not been to every school in every city in every state.   

[seabiscuit]

Danville has a worse rival than NC! They are right in there back yard! You obviously think I don't know football, and /or think my son talks jive. That is so far from the truth.  He is not like that all! But , all in all that doesn't matter here.  I will never mention names to prove anything or a point. You are simply not the only one who know's what goes on in the school system, and behind closed doors! 

Amazing!  Where did I say you don't know football?

[Airborne]

Where did it happen, what time of day was it?  Were the leaves on the tree green or darker green...I am not saying the color makes a difference it is simply a needs based evaluation that I have seen applied by certain sunshiney people...

[seabiscuit]

Oh, and tuition is going up again this year!